Romney Quits Race - Page 2

mikeber · 02-10-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

No, mikeber, there wasn't anything neat and well defined about Vietnam. The Viet Cong (the "insurgency" of the era), were hardened by years of nearly continual warfare all the way back to WWII. The bartender who served you drinks might shoot you in the back as you left the bar. The kid that you gave a Hershey bar to in the afternoon might pitch a grenade into your bunk during the night. Those of us fighting there were almost all draftees. We were poorly trained and motivated, generally poorly led, and after a while, responding to brutal violence in the same coin tended to become the norm.

At various times during the war, provincial governors offered "ear bounties" for dead Vietcong. During some court martial proceedings brought against U.S. officers, witnesses alleged that the accused had offered private bounties. I never saw that, but the South Vietnamese bounties were real. For a while necklaces of human ears were very much en vogue.

Well phrased, Chode.
What I meant is that the US could unleash all its military might and wipe out North Vietnam, which would mean that we HAD WON that war. However, that would not have resulted in a safer US or a better world! That is what I referred to by saying that there is nothing to win in Iraq even if we "win" the war.
You are absolutely correct when asking Iraq war supporters to define victory there just to demonstrate how difficult such definition is and how difficult it is for the US army.

mimo2005 · 02-11-2008, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sobeit666

I wonder what promises Romney was given if he dropped out of the race.

**Chode** · 02-13-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bruiser

You said it, you're just a stupid democrat. You can interpret it anyway you like, and you'd be right.

Well, there you are. I'm a stupid Democrat, which I define a being at least 10 times smarter than the most brilliant NeoCon Republican that ever drew breath. When someone told him to breathe.

**Chode** · 02-13-2008, 08:48 PM

mikeber, the U.S. wasn't ready to deal with the consequences of an all out assault on North Vietnam. That would have just brought in the Chinese, and, ultimately increased Russian support. The bottom line was that we had too much to risk for too little gain.

**Chode** · 02-13-2008, 08:58 PM

Well, once again I'm waiting for any of you Bushies to define "victory" in Iraq. The first time I challenged you to define victory, I set a 25 word limit. No takers. At 50 words, only English Paul contributed a plan.

Fine. Need 500 words to define Wubbya's failed policies; OK, I don't mind being a bit more liberal.

**Drew1369** · 02-14-2008, 02:00 AM

Death of the enemy <--- Defined victory in ANY war :)

Happy Chode?

**EnglishPaul** · 02-14-2008, 02:39 AM

"Death to all radical Muslims." Not a good tag line for the Bush camp, Drew!

**40sondacurb** · 02-14-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

Death of the enemy <--- Defined victory in ANY war :)

Happy Chode?

It's kind of hard to do that from Iraq. Imagine if we only fought WWII from Italy.

**Drew1369** · 02-15-2008, 02:11 AM

But in WW2 it was fought in stages from island hoping in the Pacific to fighting in North Africa, then to Sicily, to Italy, to France and then Germany... so look at it that way... first Afgahnistan, then to Iraq, then possibly further from that... the only difference (and a mistake even I don't like that happened) is that we havn't finished Afgahnistan first like the other campains in the dub dub 2

bry623 · 02-15-2008, 08:23 AM

Please get this thread back on track.

**EnglishPaul** · 02-15-2008, 02:23 PM

It is better to quit the race, than to fall over your shoelaces.

**Chode** · 02-15-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

Death of the enemy <--- Defined victory in ANY war :)

Happy Chode?

Yes, I am drew. Since you didn't elaborate, I hope you'll pardon me if I do a bit of interpretation here, but you seem to be saying that all we have to do to "win" in Iraq is to kill every Islamic extremist on the planet. And, I'd have to say that's pretty much the way I view Wubbya's policy.

I think it is an absolutely unworkable policy, but I'd say you've correctly articulated the Administration's definition of "victory".

**Chode** · 02-15-2008, 06:39 PM

Bry, I'm sorry (but not very) for yet another off topic post. I think Romney showed the same practical spirit that made him a good Governor, by backing McCain and trying to help unite what has become a very divided party. While The Formerly Drug Addicted Rush Limbaugh and other pundits of the ultra-right gag at a McCain nomination, he's really the only candidate the Republicans can field that has the proverbial snowball's chance of winning. Of course, a Republican Presidential candidate needs a Vice-Presidential candidate.

yustr · 02-15-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

Of course, a Republican Presidential candidate needs a Vice-Presidential candidate.

Let's see: McRomney
McHuckabey
McBush

Anyway you look at it: Over 1 billion screwed.

**Drew1369** · 02-15-2008, 11:52 PM

nevermind... perhaps in another thread where it would be better to discuss...

**EnglishPaul** · 02-16-2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by yustr

Let's see: McRomney
McHuckabey
McBush

Anyway you look at it: Over 1 billion screwed.

Could an ex-president subsequently hold office of vice president?

02-13-2008, 08:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 796 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Romney Quits Race mikeber, the U.S. wasn't ready to deal with the consequences of an all out assault on North Vietnam. That would have just brought in the Chinese, and, ultimately increased Russian support. The bottom line was that we had too much to risk for too little gain. __________________ Sweet!

02-13-2008, 08:58 PM	#25 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 796 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Romney Quits Race Well, once again I'm waiting for any of you Bushies to define "victory" in Iraq. The first time I challenged you to define victory, I set a 25 word limit. No takers. At 50 words, only English Paul contributed a plan. Fine. Need 500 words to define Wubbya's failed policies; OK, I don't mind being a bit more liberal. __________________ Sweet!

02-14-2008, 02:00 AM	#26 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,291 OS: Vista Business	Re: Romney Quits Race Death of the enemy <--- Defined victory in ANY war :) Happy Chode? __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

02-14-2008, 02:39 AM	#27 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 989 OS: XP SP2	Re: Romney Quits Race "Death to all radical Muslims." Not a good tag line for the Bush camp, Drew!

02-15-2008, 02:11 AM	#29 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,291 OS: Vista Business	Re: Romney Quits Race But in WW2 it was fought in stages from island hoping in the Pacific to fighting in North Africa, then to Sicily, to Italy, to France and then Germany... so look at it that way... first Afgahnistan, then to Iraq, then possibly further from that... the only difference (and a mistake even I don't like that happened) is that we havn't finished Afgahnistan first like the other campains in the dub dub 2 __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

02-15-2008, 08:23 AM	#30 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,551 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Romney Quits Race Please get this thread back on track. __________________ When you fear Sarah, you attack her and try destroy her

02-15-2008, 02:23 PM	#31 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 989 OS: XP SP2	Re: Romney Quits Race It is better to quit the race, than to fall over your shoelaces.

02-15-2008, 06:39 PM	#33 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 796 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Romney Quits Race Bry, I'm sorry (but not very) for yet another off topic post. I think Romney showed the same practical spirit that made him a good Governor, by backing McCain and trying to help unite what has become a very divided party. While The Formerly Drug Addicted Rush Limbaugh and other pundits of the ultra-right gag at a McCain nomination, he's really the only candidate the Republicans can field that has the proverbial snowball's chance of winning. Of course, a Republican Presidential candidate needs a Vice-Presidential candidate. __________________ Sweet!

02-15-2008, 11:52 PM	#35 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,291 OS: Vista Business	Re: Romney Quits Race nevermind... perhaps in another thread where it would be better to discuss... __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right! Last edited by Drew1369 : 02-15-2008 at 11:54 PM. Reason: was told to get back on topic earlier in the thread that I missed...