'God Guided Me And Protected Me'

mimo2005 · 12-10-2007, 05:20 PM

Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me'

I guess God didn't like those dead people, though.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...80/detail.html

cstr20cstr · 12-11-2007, 07:39 AM

And if she had been shot, then the story would have been "God works in mysterious ways".....

bry623 · 12-11-2007, 08:23 AM

He still does.

BTW, that security guard is being credited with saving over 100 lives.

mimo2005 · 12-11-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bry623

He still does.

BTW, that security guard is being credited with saving over 100 lives.

Nope , security guard credited God.

**Chode** · 12-15-2007, 06:09 PM

I think God certainly deserves the credit for placing armed guards in a church. Nothing can be more Holy than armed security forces in a place of worship. I'd like to see some more investigation on why this seemed necessary in the first place.

~~Monty Python~~ · 12-15-2007, 08:02 PM

I read this yesterday, coming across the MSNBC ticker.

The best part was the fact that the male security guard would neither use his weapon not give it to another male that would have used it.

Meanwhile, the female security guard was busy killing the assailant.

**Drew1369** · 12-16-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chode

I'd like to see some more investigation on why this seemed necessary in the first place.

Did you not read why it was deemed neccessary? Apparently it was very successful at stoping the murderer from killing more people.

~~Monty Python~~ · 12-16-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chode

I think God certainly deserves the credit for placing armed guards in a church. Nothing can be more Holy than armed security forces in a place of worship. I'd like to see some more investigation on why this seemed necessary in the first place.

"Fiery" Pastors that preach on the "hellfire and damnation" side of the line (in contrast to the "love & forgiveness"side) frequently have to go about armed & protected. I also get the irony of this.

While these high-dollar Christians spend a lot of time and energy advocating that the sheeple become more like Christ, these leaders are pretty clear that, while the Sunday morning message is good for generating profit, they certainly aren't willing to get killed for their beliefs.

That would be stupid, wouldn't it ?

Here's a bonus section. I saw this on a bumper sticker.

Quote:

WWJD? JWRTFM

**Chode** · 12-16-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

Did you not read why it was deemed neccessary? Apparently it was very successful at stoping the murderer from killing more people.

Yes, I read it. The remark was meant a comment on the mindset of people who think God will take care of all their problems, except the ones guns can solve. I know you understand the idea of perimeter security. So, once again, I'm wondering why armed security IN the church seemed like a good idea.

**Drew1369** · 12-16-2007, 02:22 PM

Its why cops carry guns on and off duty to the grocery store, or even churches... and more viewed like carrying a condom, I'd rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have one.

People have faith, thats why they believe God will provide and to THEM God provided a crack shot with a gun in the church.

Take what you want, some people feel safer in large gatherings if someone is there that will protect them.

**Chode** · 12-16-2007, 03:24 PM

Drew! That's not the point! Proper security would have intercepted this guy before he entered the church!

~~Monty Python~~ · 12-16-2007, 07:27 PM

I'm wondering if this whole "I'm going to get a gun, go to a public place and kill a lot of people" thing isn't a precursor to home-grown suicide bombers.

It seems that this is a new thing, starting at about Columbine. I've not heard anyone in the media make a connection between this "American" phenomenon and it's Islamic Fundamentalist equivalent.

**Drew1369** · 12-18-2007, 04:49 AM

What would have been proper security? Roving patrols? Perimiter snipers? What would make you feel safe in a large church gathering? Another gaurd with a gun at the front door?

You seem to have it down that outside security would have prevented this... what should they have done?

As noted in many cases, there are usually laws preventing things like armed gaurds or gun laws that can stop the person from going in and killing... damn... I wonder where the perimiter security around VT was? Oh thats right, they took away the rights of the law abiding to protect themselves.

bry623 · 12-18-2007, 06:46 AM

Suicide by cop does happen.

**EnglishPaul** · 12-18-2007, 03:16 PM

So the fact that the guard had a gun meant that the crazy man with a gun could only kill 3 people, not 100. Had he been armed with a knife...

Anyway, enough de ja vu.

So they have an all powerful God who will save the 97 and sacrifice the 3. Who describes Himself as a shepherd who leaves the 99 to find the 1. I know statistics are the root of all lies, but I see a contradiction somewhere.

**Chode** · 12-21-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

What would have been proper security? Roving patrols? Perimiter snipers? What would make you feel safe in a large church gathering? Another gaurd with a gun at the front door?

You seem to have it down that outside security would have prevented this... what should they have done?

As noted in many cases, there are usually laws preventing things like armed gaurds or gun laws that can stop the person from going in and killing... damn... I wonder where the perimiter security around VT was? Oh thats right, they took away the rights of the law abiding to protect themselves.

Gee, Drew, how did they handle these kinds of issues when you were in the Air Force? Did you have security at the gates and fences? Did security automatically let everyone on base?

Yes, guards patrolling the grounds and searching people as the they entered the church would have been better than armed guards inside. I'm sure you can realize the potential casualties from a firefight in the church. Here's a new word for you: proactive.

Edit: just a thought, but what if our bad guy had decided to change his M.O. and gone into the church with a few pounds of C4 strapped to his body connected to a deadman switch?

**EnglishPaul** · 12-21-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

I'm sure you can realize the potential casualties from a firefight in the church.

Ah, but God is directing the bullets in a church. So no casualties in a church except for what is God's will.
Perimeter security would also keep out all those Godly people with guns who could act as protection in times of crisis.
As for C4; 'from a big bang we came and to a big bang we go'.
No wait, thats not right.
'From intelligent design we came, and to a big bang we go'.

Personally, I think that if everyone went to church naked, then there would be no chance of guns or C4.
I also think that would make top level political meetings both safer and more interesting!
In fact America would be all round safer if people lived nude. Except from hypothermia. Oh well, the price you pay for safe streets.

~~Monty Python~~ · 12-21-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

Ah, but God is directing the bullets in a church. So no casualties in a church except for what is God's will.

Statements like that cause serious loss of credibility.

12-10-2007, 05:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,620 OS: xp	'God Guided Me And Protected Me' Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' I guess God didn't like those dead people, though. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...80/detail.html __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

12-11-2007, 07:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
cstr20cstr Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 309 OS: xp	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' And if she had been shot, then the story would have been "God works in mysterious ways".....

12-11-2007, 08:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' He still does. BTW, that security guard is being credited with saving over 100 lives. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

12-15-2007, 06:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 745 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' I think God certainly deserves the credit for placing armed guards in a church. Nothing can be more Holy than armed security forces in a place of worship. I'd like to see some more investigation on why this seemed necessary in the first place. __________________ Sweet!

12-15-2007, 08:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~Monty Python~~ Troubled Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 462 OS: Vista 32-bit Ultimate	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' I read this yesterday, coming across the MSNBC ticker. The best part was the fact that the male security guard would neither use his weapon not give it to another male that would have used it. Meanwhile, the female security guard was busy killing the assailant.

12-16-2007, 02:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,220 OS: Vista Business	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' Its why cops carry guns on and off duty to the grocery store, or even churches... and more viewed like carrying a condom, I'd rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have one. People have faith, thats why they believe God will provide and to THEM God provided a crack shot with a gun in the church. Take what you want, some people feel safer in large gatherings if someone is there that will protect them. __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

12-16-2007, 03:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 745 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' Drew! That's not the point! Proper security would have intercepted this guy before he entered the church! __________________ Sweet!

12-16-2007, 07:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
~~Monty Python~~ Troubled Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 462 OS: Vista 32-bit Ultimate	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' I'm wondering if this whole "I'm going to get a gun, go to a public place and kill a lot of people" thing isn't a precursor to home-grown suicide bombers. It seems that this is a new thing, starting at about Columbine. I've not heard anyone in the media make a connection between this "American" phenomenon and it's Islamic Fundamentalist equivalent.

12-18-2007, 04:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,220 OS: Vista Business	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' What would have been proper security? Roving patrols? Perimiter snipers? What would make you feel safe in a large church gathering? Another gaurd with a gun at the front door? You seem to have it down that outside security would have prevented this... what should they have done? As noted in many cases, there are usually laws preventing things like armed gaurds or gun laws that can stop the person from going in and killing... damn... I wonder where the perimiter security around VT was? Oh thats right, they took away the rights of the law abiding to protect themselves. __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

12-18-2007, 06:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' Suicide by cop does happen. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

12-18-2007, 03:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 936 OS: XP SP2	Re: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' So the fact that the guard had a gun meant that the crazy man with a gun could only kill 3 people, not 100. Had he been armed with a knife... Anyway, enough de ja vu. So they have an all powerful God who will save the 97 and sacrifice the 3. Who describes Himself as a shepherd who leaves the 99 to find the 1. I know statistics are the root of all lies, but I see a contradiction somewhere.