Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks - Page 2

RedScott · 12-01-2007, 10:37 PM

cstr20cstr.

I'm actually a right wing conservative. We believe in things like the Rule of Law, obeying the constitution, limited government, balanced budgets, national defense (not offense), SMALL GOVERNMENT, low taxes, republicanism, federalism.

Pretty much the exact opposite of all the things cstr20cstr, Woodrow Wilson, and GWB need to run their altruistic leftist trotskyite empire.

cstr20cstr · 12-03-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

Now I'm confused, which one is the evil lefty?

While I'd consider myself a little right of center, seeing how RedScott's hell-bent on blaming GWB for what terrorists and others do, I'd be willing to bet he's a lefty. But not necessarily "evil".

RedScott · 12-03-2007, 02:07 PM

I don't blame what terrorists and others do on GWB.

I'm not at all a "lefty".

What you're describing is party loyalty, not principled political left/right ideology.

**Drew1369** · 12-05-2007, 12:28 AM

I have always pegged you as a libertarian Red?

**40sondacurb** · 12-05-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

I have always pegged you as a libertarian Red?

He was, but now Ron Paul is trying to distance himself from that word so we're calling a lettuce cabbage.

bry623 · 12-05-2007, 08:45 AM

And now an important word from our sponsors:

Let's not label anyone in this forum a leftist, rightest, fascist, or commie. We all owe each other that much.

As far as the politicians go, Murtha is one of the worst leftist defeatocrats out there.

RedScott · 12-05-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

He was, but now Ron Paul is trying to distance himself from that word so we're calling a lettuce cabbage.

Was and am. I don't know how that makes me not a right wing conservative. I didn't say I was a "Republican." The problem is the Republican party has been hi-jacked by trotskyite leftist called Neo-Conservatives and party loyalists have unknowingly followed suit in their strive to "be in power" rather than remain principled in their beliefs.

I also haven't seen Ron Paul try to distance himself from the word libertarian in the least, so I don't know where that's coming from.

**40sondacurb** · 12-05-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RedScott

Was and am. I don't know how that makes me not a right wing conservative. I didn't say I was a "Republican." The problem is the Republican party has been hi-jacked by trotskyite leftist called Neo-Conservatives and party loyalists have unknowingly followed suit in their strive to "be in power" rather than remain principled in their beliefs.

I also haven't seen Ron Paul try to distance himself from the word libertarian in the least, so I don't know where that's coming from.

I'm just pulling your chain. But, I honestly haven't heard him use the term "Libertarian" since he got in the race.

**Drew1369** · 12-06-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

I'm just pulling your chain. But, I honestly haven't heard him use the term "Libertarian" since he got in the race.

He wont ever use it, people in this country fear change, and to have anybody make a claim of anything other then republican or democrat will make you lose...

But even being mostly libertarian myself I still wouldn't vote for Paul, he doesn't take my view on taxes.

RedScott · 12-06-2007, 06:24 AM

Really? I've never heard of a pro-tax libertarian.

**Drew1369** · 12-06-2007, 02:40 PM

Until he mentions what taxes specifically what taxes he wants to lower he hasn't done anything, so far the only canadate that has stated anything that I liked was Huckabee when he said he'd rid the income tax and fire the IRS.

Paul is definatly good, his gun policy is magnificent, but all he has said is lower taxes... Clinton said the same thing in '92 and Bush Sr said the same thing in '88 and we see how well all that has worked out

RedScott · 12-06-2007, 03:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5lC4Z_T80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyT3SBiTbpc

RedScott · 12-06-2007, 03:35 PM

Also if you're think Huckabee you might want to take a gander at this....

http://www.taxhikemike.org/

**40sondacurb** · 12-06-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedScott

Also if you're think Huckabee you might want to take a gander at this....

http://www.taxhikemike.org/

Wow, the man puts thought into his decisions instead of living in a fantasy world where any tax is evil no matter how much is raises people's quality of life. It's easy for Ron Paul to think that way because he's a lunatic, but the rest of us have to live in the real world where you have to base your decisions on logic and reason rather than radical philosophies about the Big Bad Fed.

This guy and me disagree on a lot of things--how do you not believe in evolution?-- but of all the GOP candidates he's the one I respect the most because he'll do what the public wants him to do and what needs to be done rather than follow blindly in party philosophy.

RedScott · 12-06-2007, 05:08 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, lunatic. Rite. Brilliant.

yustr · 12-06-2007, 09:08 PM

I was almost ready to endorse Pastor Huckabee when I read this:

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He’s every bit as bad, and you don’t have to just take our word for it. Jonah Goldberg, you and your fellow editors at National Review, Bob Novak, and John Fund — to name just a few conservative writers — agree that Mike Huckabee is no conservative. You can read the Club’s white paper on our website, but here is a quick summary of Huckabee’s worst hits. According to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, the average Arkansas tax burden increased 47% over Huckabee’s tenure. Huckabee supported (in chronological order) a sales tax hike; gas and diesel fuel tax hikes; another sales tax hike; a cigarette tax hike; a nursing home bed tax; another sales tax hike; an income surcharge tax; a tobacco tax hike; taxes on Internet access; and higher beer taxes. Huckabee also oversaw a 50-percent increase in spending; happily signed a minimum wage increase and encouraged national Republicans to do the same; favors a national smoking ban, farm subsidies, and a federally mandated arts and music curriculum; opposes private school choice; and employs class-warfare and protectionist language on the campaign trail. Huckabee calls himself an economic conservative in the mold of Ronald Reagan, but the above list doesn’t sound like either.

But then I noticed that he raised the tax on beer and he lost my vote.

**Chode** · 12-06-2007, 11:32 PM

Yep, taxhikemike.org is certainly one of my most trusted sources for impartial journalism, but all the same I'm a bit disturbed that the first quote on the page was from The American Spectator. C'mon! Of all the rabid, right wing attack-rags is there any that defines the genre more than the Spectator?

Here's the thing: ultimately, governments (just like the rest of us) have to balance spending and revenue. That means that raising taxes isn't necessarily evil. Neither is raising spending. What really matters is how the money is spent. What I find offensive is cheap and sleazy attacks like taxhikemike.org. If you want to criticize Huckabee, there are lots of legitimate reasons.

Here's another thought or two on taxes, spending and budget deficits: When Reagan entered office he inherited a $789 billion dollar deficit. When he left office his legacy was a budget deficit of 2.191 TRILLION dollars. Yes, indeedy, he tripled the national debt in just 8 years. During his tenure in office, his budget requests totaled about 7314 billion dollars and those doggone spendy Democrats voted for appropriations totaling 7361 billion dollars; a difference of only $47 billion.

Then came Clinton. In two terms in office he left us with a budget SURPLUS of $127 billion. Under Bush, we are reaching record deficits once again; this time with a Congress controlled by Republicans during most of his term. For 10 points, identify the common thread in economic policy in both the Bush and Reagan Presidencies.

And just for the record, Murtha is a corrupt slimeball who should have gone to prison following the ABSCAM sting.

**Drew1369** · 12-07-2007, 03:12 AM

I'll give Clinton the surplus plug, but that it... unfortunatly he did that with raising taxes on the middle class which he said he'd lower :(

12-01-2007, 10:37 PM	#21 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 344 OS: Windows XP	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks cstr20cstr. I'm actually a right wing conservative. We believe in things like the Rule of Law, obeying the constitution, limited government, balanced budgets, national defense (not offense), SMALL GOVERNMENT, low taxes, republicanism, federalism. Pretty much the exact opposite of all the things cstr20cstr, Woodrow Wilson, and GWB need to run their altruistic leftist trotskyite empire.

12-03-2007, 02:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 344 OS: Windows XP	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks I don't blame what terrorists and others do on GWB. I'm not at all a "lefty". What you're describing is party loyalty, not principled political left/right ideology.

12-05-2007, 12:28 AM	#24 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,412 OS: Vista Business	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks I have always pegged you as a libertarian Red? __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

12-05-2007, 08:45 AM	#26 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,621 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks And now an important word from our sponsors: Let's not label anyone in this forum a leftist, rightest, fascist, or commie. We all owe each other that much. As far as the politicians go, Murtha is one of the worst leftist defeatocrats out there. __________________ "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan

12-06-2007, 06:24 AM	#30 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 344 OS: Windows XP	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks Really? I've never heard of a pro-tax libertarian.

12-06-2007, 02:40 PM	#31 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,412 OS: Vista Business	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks Until he mentions what taxes specifically what taxes he wants to lower he hasn't done anything, so far the only canadate that has stated anything that I liked was Huckabee when he said he'd rid the income tax and fire the IRS. Paul is definatly good, his gun policy is magnificent, but all he has said is lower taxes... Clinton said the same thing in '92 and Bush Sr said the same thing in '88 and we see how well all that has worked out __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

12-06-2007, 03:29 PM	#32 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 344 OS: Windows XP	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5lC4Z_T80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyT3SBiTbpc

12-06-2007, 03:35 PM	#33 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 344 OS: Windows XP	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks Also if you're think Huckabee you might want to take a gander at this.... http://www.taxhikemike.org/

12-06-2007, 05:08 PM	#35 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 344 OS: Windows XP	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks Yeah, yeah, yeah, lunatic. Rite. Brilliant.

12-06-2007, 11:32 PM	#37 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 903 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks Yep, taxhikemike.org is certainly one of my most trusted sources for impartial journalism, but all the same I'm a bit disturbed that the first quote on the page was from The American Spectator. C'mon! Of all the rabid, right wing attack-rags is there any that defines the genre more than the Spectator? Here's the thing: ultimately, governments (just like the rest of us) have to balance spending and revenue. That means that raising taxes isn't necessarily evil. Neither is raising spending. What really matters is how the money is spent. What I find offensive is cheap and sleazy attacks like taxhikemike.org. If you want to criticize Huckabee, there are lots of legitimate reasons. Here's another thought or two on taxes, spending and budget deficits: When Reagan entered office he inherited a $789 billion dollar deficit. When he left office his legacy was a budget deficit of 2.191 TRILLION dollars. Yes, indeedy, he tripled the national debt in just 8 years. During his tenure in office, his budget requests totaled about 7314 billion dollars and those doggone spendy Democrats voted for appropriations totaling 7361 billion dollars; a difference of only $47 billion. Then came Clinton. In two terms in office he left us with a budget SURPLUS of $127 billion. Under Bush, we are reaching record deficits once again; this time with a Congress controlled by Republicans during most of his term. For 10 points, identify the common thread in economic policy in both the Bush and Reagan Presidencies. And just for the record, Murtha is a corrupt slimeball who should have gone to prison following the ABSCAM sting. __________________ Sweet!

12-07-2007, 03:12 AM	#38 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,412 OS: Vista Business	Re: Murtha breaks radical left-wing ranks I'll give Clinton the surplus plug, but that it... unfortunatly he did that with raising taxes on the middle class which he said he'd lower :( __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!