The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul - Page 2

**40sondacurb** · 07-13-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mimo2005

Ron Paul predicts "staged terror attack" to give the Bush administration an excuse to crush us under Dick Cheney's iron fist .

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...reatdanger.htm

This isn’t the first time the Man Who Can Save America has floated the Gulf of Tonkin scenario; in fact, he’s done it on the floor of the House. (VIDEO )

http://minx.cc/?post=225943

Bush was enough of a lose cannon for me, I don't need this nut coming in and turning everything upside down to fulfill his confederate and Monroe like doctrines.

mimo2005 · 07-17-2007, 04:30 AM

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The Troops Love Ron Paul (but Not That Much)
Ron Paul raised $22,140 from active duty or retired members of the military as declared on their donation forms. That was more than John McCain ($16,675), Mitt Romney ($4551) combined and only a little less than those two plus Rudy Giuliani ($2320). But those are the total dollar donations—not the number of donors, as Wonkette reported.

"The story on Wonkette is wrong," explained the Paul campaign's Jesse Benton. "We'd love to have 22,140 active military donors, but that's a lot of guys with five-figure salaries dipping into their wallets."

As to why Paul did so well: "We think that Ron is the strongest advocate of the military in the race: He supports bringing them home from foreign adventurism. We're very proud of our military support but we don't want to overstate it."

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/121433.html

mimo2005 · 07-25-2007, 07:29 AM

Ron Paul teams up with Dem candidate to end war ( video )

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ron_Pa..._Dem_0724.html

RedScott · 08-06-2007, 10:31 AM

Paul sets the record straight on the 9/11 Truthers non-sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spsmylcuWRc

mimo2005 · 08-11-2007, 04:25 PM

Ron Paul Video Montage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ

**Redcore** · 08-14-2007, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bry623

As far as the Civil War goes, the Feds were preserving the Union. And unless someone is a racist, they freed slaves too.

Seriously? Is that the stance you're going with? Why did it take the war in order for such a thing to come about?

There were slaves in the Union at the time of the Emancipation Proclamation...and after it. But I'm sure you are correct and it had absolutely nothing to do with making the South look bad and gain sympathy...and absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the South was fully dependent on slave labor for such agriculture as cotton whilst the North was full-swing into the Industrial Revolution. NO WAY! Plus there's no chance that it was a tool to keep the British from supporting the Confederate States of America as Britain was against slavery (but I'm sure you're quite well read and it just slipped your mind that they did away with slavery in 1833 with the British Emancipation Act). But hey, the whole war started because the North wanted to end slavery, right?

As far as Ron Paul, I like the guy. Then again, I've read up on him a lot more than most of you (I like how I read "I don't like this guy" after reading one article that was clearly bias ... not that you're lazy or anything :L) and agree with a lot of things. There are things I don't agree with him on, but I like that he tells you what he thinks and that's what he sticks to ... unlike many politicians who wiggle around for your vote and does not follow what he says he would do.

I'm fairly liberal, but those of you who think we should have a government ran health care system blow me away. Our government can't even handle VETERAN HEALTH CARE...how the HECK on God's green earth are they EVER going to deal with EVERYBODY'S HEALTH CARE?!?? I'm sure you're thinking "well, they do such a great job and handling our money and other government programs such as the USPS" right? LOOL pleeeeease. Comparing health care to fire/police is absolutely insane and just illegitimates your opinion from there on. And in case you haven't noticed...domestic social programs have been cut pretty much every year since Bush was elected and funding emphasized on the war effort. They take money out of the Social Security program...why the heck wouldn't they take it out of a universal health care system? Think with your heads! Surely if our government wasn't riddled with flaws and we could actually trust them it would be a MUCH more viable option...but in the current state of things, you can't trust them with a damn thing.

For IT techs, you guys need to learn how to use Google. It's not hard to look up things quickly especially when you make broad points such as "The federal government freed slaves" and that the US should enact universal health care. It seems as though a few of you are well-read and informed while others seem incredibly lazy and shouldn't even be discussing politics when they are unwilling to take initiative to read multiple sources before coming to conclusions. It's great that some of you are able to have a great political discussion...but some of you (not just in this thread, I should add) make it lame because you have to be regurgitated a history book.

**DumberDrummer** · 08-14-2007, 12:57 AM

lets keep it civil please.

mimo2005 · 08-14-2007, 08:43 AM

We are in 2007 , and slavery still exist in some parts of countries like Sudan , Mauritania , Morocco , Niger , etc etc etc .

Did i say we are in 2007 ?

**Drew1369** · 08-14-2007, 12:57 PM

WOw Red... you make alot of assumptions about those of us here at TSF... I'd learn to hold your tongue alittle bit when you want to make a comment about members.

**Redcore** · 08-14-2007, 02:19 PM

If you're throwing around what sounds like concrete facts/ideas and don't even make an attempt to back up what you're talking about...you portray yourself as lazy (especially if you're blatantly wrong). Surely it's easy to say something without backing it up...but it doesn't seem like a viable option in any political discussion. That's awfully dangerous IMO.

But if you want me to stop pointing out when people are wrong, why, and not suggest that they at least LOOK UP what they're talking about...you might as well remove my rights from this section. I'm all for people having different opinions and thoughts...that's what makes a discussion interesting...but when people say something so off the wall and COMPLETELY unfactual...that's craziness.

**Drew1369** · 08-14-2007, 02:24 PM

You can tell people they are wrong all you want... just don't insult people in the progress

**Redcore** · 08-14-2007, 02:33 PM

My low tolerance for laziness probably does come off as cold...and surely "learn how to use Google" could have been better stated as "please use Google to support your facts and learn more about what is being discussed before posting anything you feel to be a statement that will define your opinion" but at the same time, if you DON'T try to fact find at least a little if you're shakey on what you're discussing...you can't really get too upset about being told to use Google except if your pride is in the way. :P

**Drew1369** · 08-14-2007, 03:52 PM

I personally don't feel the need to back MY opinions up after all they are MY opinions not yours... and debating on the internet is pointless because you are not going to change anyone elses opinion... after reading enough thruout my life I have formed many opinions... why do I need to justify them to you? Why does anyone else need to justify them to you?

yustr · 08-14-2007, 03:55 PM

Let's get back on the opinions of and about Mr. Paul...

**40sondacurb** · 08-14-2007, 04:01 PM

between the spammers and the ones that try to bite your head off, Ron Paul's supporters are his worst enemy.

07-25-2007, 07:29 AM	#23 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,620 OS: xp	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul Ron Paul teams up with Dem candidate to end war ( video ) http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ron_Pa..._Dem_0724.html __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

08-06-2007, 10:31 AM	#24 (permalink)
RedScott Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 285 OS: Windows XP	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul Paul sets the record straight on the 9/11 Truthers non-sense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spsmylcuWRc

08-11-2007, 04:25 PM	#25 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,620 OS: xp	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul Ron Paul Video Montage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

08-14-2007, 12:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,364 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul lets keep it civil please. __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

08-14-2007, 08:43 AM	#28 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,620 OS: xp	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul We are in 2007 , and slavery still exist in some parts of countries like Sudan , Mauritania , Morocco , Niger , etc etc etc . Did i say we are in 2007 ? __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005 : 08-14-2007 at 08:46 AM.

08-14-2007, 12:57 PM	#29 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,220 OS: Vista Business	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul WOw Red... you make alot of assumptions about those of us here at TSF... I'd learn to hold your tongue alittle bit when you want to make a comment about members. __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

08-14-2007, 02:19 PM	#30 (permalink)
Redcore Design Team Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jamestown, CA Posts: 477 OS: WinXP My System	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul If you're throwing around what sounds like concrete facts/ideas and don't even make an attempt to back up what you're talking about...you portray yourself as lazy (especially if you're blatantly wrong). Surely it's easy to say something without backing it up...but it doesn't seem like a viable option in any political discussion. That's awfully dangerous IMO. But if you want me to stop pointing out when people are wrong, why, and not suggest that they at least LOOK UP what they're talking about...you might as well remove my rights from this section. I'm all for people having different opinions and thoughts...that's what makes a discussion interesting...but when people say something so off the wall and COMPLETELY unfactual...that's craziness.

08-14-2007, 02:24 PM	#31 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,220 OS: Vista Business	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul You can tell people they are wrong all you want... just don't insult people in the progress __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

08-14-2007, 02:33 PM	#32 (permalink)
Redcore Design Team Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jamestown, CA Posts: 477 OS: WinXP My System	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul My low tolerance for laziness probably does come off as cold...and surely "learn how to use Google" could have been better stated as "please use Google to support your facts and learn more about what is being discussed before posting anything you feel to be a statement that will define your opinion" but at the same time, if you DON'T try to fact find at least a little if you're shakey on what you're discussing...you can't really get too upset about being told to use Google except if your pride is in the way. :P

08-14-2007, 03:52 PM	#33 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,220 OS: Vista Business	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul I personally don't feel the need to back MY opinions up after all they are MY opinions not yours... and debating on the internet is pointless because you are not going to change anyone elses opinion... after reading enough thruout my life I have formed many opinions... why do I need to justify them to you? Why does anyone else need to justify them to you? __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

08-14-2007, 03:55 PM	#34 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,755 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul Let's get back on the opinions of and about Mr. Paul... __________________ I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry In Vino Veritas

08-14-2007, 04:01 PM	#35 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,723 OS: xp	Re: The Pros and Cons of Ron Paul between the spammers and the ones that try to bite your head off, Ron Paul's supporters are his worst enemy. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush