Islam ........... A peaceful religion? - Page 4

**Fr4665** · 10-27-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Xerxes

jews were always used as tool used by others in their propaganda and movement. yes, it is true jewsih ppl are are one of the great and intelligent ppl. Their race is decreasing in number..................................

so you define being jewish as a race ? many people aregue over this as hitler thought of the jewish people as a race but the truth is judaism is a religion. jews are no different from christians in their looks or when they talk just in their religios beliefs.

Xerxes · 10-27-2006, 04:38 AM

what do u know about yiddish or sephardic jews. do they look like christians from europe or they look like middle east

Xerxes · 10-27-2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr4665

maybe google translator will help ?

btw to get back to the history of democracy, it was first used during the times of athens when there were first public votes for the next governing person or party. and this is way before any idea of islam existed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy this sets in 2500 years back or more.

So let me get this straight i hope you finally answer this question for me because i am confused throughout your writings are they are totaly mangled up:

You are jewish, who thinks that israel did the wrong thing as to moving onto the palestinians land. But who in someway is trying to talk about islam in a pro muslim way. Correct ?

Apparently you cant seem to answer questions but just quote more stuff and i believe that this is the issue due to your language barrier with the english language as jeff said.

find out using archealogical records of arabian region and their religion. this will give an idea about the age of judiasm and christianity. the religion in islam has many similarities with these tradtions and beliefs systems

Xerxes · 10-27-2006, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr4665

so you define being jewish as a race ? many people aregue over this as hitler thought of the jewish people as a race but the truth is judaism is a religion. jews are no different from christians in their looks or when they talk just in their religios beliefs.

if this true, then why were the jews executed and killed in europe.

Xerxes · 10-27-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr4665

so you define being jewish as a race ? many people aregue over this as hitler thought of the jewish people as a race but the truth is judaism is a religion. jews are no different from christians in their looks or when they talk just in their religios beliefs.

go and read sources on jewish race and religion. use DNA to prove whether jewish race exist or not.

persian jews look much similar to the ppl of persia. turkish jews very similar to turkish ppl. europian jew very similar to europian tribes. indian jews similar to that part of the world. chinese and japenese jews very similar to their country men. but one thing is different., their dna is silghtly different from their country. how was that ?????????????????????????????

**Fr4665** · 10-27-2006, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Xerxes

if this true, then why were the jews executed and killed in europe.

they werent just executed and killed in europe. they were executed in the middle east they were executed in russian.

hitler apparently had a personal experience with a jew when he was little, some evidence shows that his ancestors were jewish and maybe he therefor hate them. he saw the jews as his powerful enemy but all they were, were valubal additions to his war as most of them were bankers or doctors.

my point being and the jews not being a race is that i can become a jew. So if you say jewish being a race, this would mean when someone joins the jewish religion, they transform from lets say african to being a jew ?

i cant become asian or african now can i ? a black person cant become white can they ?

there are definate differences in some of the looks from the type of hair etc but this is adoption to where they live. italians have dark hair and germans sometimes have blonde hair. that doesnt make the race different, you could define them as mediteranean but that wont change a fact that their skin is white.

BTW everyones DNA is different this would make me be a different race from the person next to me that would produce 4 billion or more races on the face of the earth and i dont think thats a way to differentiate between races.

i dont know what you are trying to achive with your thread but hey well keep going ;)

~~jeffdrummer~~ · 10-27-2006, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr4665

a black person cant become white can they ?

Actually Michael Jackson did.

Hitler had a bad experience with Jews in Vienna, because they wouldn't buy his art... he lived in relative poverty... but he didn't hate the Jews (at least openly) until about February 1933, right after he was elected he passed 400 anti-Jewish laws...

Not many Jews where killed in Africa, I don't have the stats in front of me but it was around 1000, Erwin Rommel's division wasn't all that concerned with killing the Jews yet. In Russia Jews and Gypsies were killed in mass (mostly in Ukraine though) also Russians were called unter-human (I think I have the term wrong, please correct me) But this is all beside the point.

I believe Jews are their own race stemming down from the 12 tribes of Abraham... It is somewhat ironic that the Jews Islam practiced hatred for, are descendents of the prophets whom they worship. It is not uncommon for Jews to be killed on the West Wall while praying, Muslims will drop rock, hot oil, or boiling water on their heads while they are praying... It is sick.

And Judaism is a religion and a race...

Like I said they are descendents from the twelve tribes of Abraham, that is the race. They await the Messiah, whom they don't believe has arrive, and they study the Old Testament (Give or take a couple books)... that is the religion.

bry623 · 10-27-2006, 07:10 AM

OMG, I wasn't the one who 'Hitlered' this thread!!

**Fr4665** · 10-27-2006, 07:40 AM

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OMG, I wasn't the one who 'Hitlered' this thread!!

lol and yes i agree with micheal jackson but i didnt wana post that for some flam war starting about how micheal jackson is the worst.

jeff did u just research all this or some type of historian ? not bad not bad. the term u are looking for is basically "unter-menschen" wich translates to underhumans or beastlike basically.

i agree with you on that being jewish can be a race and religion good point
i have studied small scale world history but mainly world war 2 so i cant say much to the 12 tribes of abrahams decendents but ill trust u on that

i really dont know where xerxes is trying to go with this ... islam can be a peace full religion if not practice as a way of life and not taken to the extreme but this is wit every religion.

~~jeffdrummer~~ · 10-27-2006, 08:22 AM

I didn't research it, just some knowledge that I thought I would never use; but I am very big into three things:

Literature
History
And Politics (Economics by association).

I consider that a great compliment FR... at least I know I'm getting my facts right... ;)

I agree with the last paragraph... do you feel that Islamic fundamentalist could be compared with the Crusaders?

**Wozer** · 10-27-2006, 09:02 AM

I hate to admit it, but jeffdrummer is correct in his analysis of the tribes of Israel...they do indeed have definite genetic markers associated with them, so it is not out of line to refer to the Jewish as a distinctive race...

and I also agree with the sentiments re: Xerxes...just what is his agenda, I wonder?

**40sondacurb** · 10-27-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Wozer

I hate to admit it, but jeffdrummer is correct in his analysis of the tribes of Israel...they do indeed have definite genetic markers associated with them, so it is not out of line to refer to the Jewish as a distinctive race...

and I also agree with the sentiments re: Xerxes...just what is his agenda, I wonder?

Then again a lot of Arabs have the same percentage of the gene in their communities.

**Wozer** · 10-27-2006, 10:52 AM

actually, I recently read an article about the human gene pool...and apparently there are distinctive markers associated with the tribes of Israel...think about it...the Jewish are very 'clannish' and one could arguably use the word 'inbreeding' in association with their marriage customs (i.e. Jews should wed Jews)..and yeah, I'm sure a lot of Arabics have that gene...

note, I'm not being anti-semitic here rather just pointing out what I have read as presented as being a fact...not being a geneticist, I can offer no critique of the methodology which resulted in the conclusion the Jewish can be arguably referred to as a race...as far as I'm concerned we are all one race...humans

bry623 · 10-27-2006, 12:10 PM

A sneetch is a sneetch.

**40sondacurb** · 10-27-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wozer

actually, I recently read an article about the human gene pool...and apparently there are distinctive markers associated with the tribes of Israel...think about it...the Jewish are very 'clannish' and one could arguably use the word 'inbreeding' in association with their marriage customs (i.e. Jews should wed Jews)..and yeah, I'm sure a lot of Arabics have that gene...

note, I'm not being anti-semitic here rather just pointing out what I have read as presented as being a fact...not being a geneticist, I can offer no critique of the methodology which resulted in the conclusion the Jewish can be arguably referred to as a race...as far as I'm concerned we are all one race...humans

They don't all have it, but 10% of the population are direct descendants of Mose's brother Aron. They come to this conclusion by analyzing the oral tradition of who is of the High Priest line and the genetic marker which dates back to around the time of Aron.

I went to the lab where they did the study and it's all legit.

Xerxes · 10-28-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

They don't all have it, but 10% of the population are direct descendants of Mose's brother Aron. They come to this conclusion by analyzing the oral tradition of who is of the High Priest line and the genetic marker which dates back to around the time of Aron.

I went to the lab where they did the study and it's all legit.

In fact, God's "Chosen" people consist of every people of every nation and tongue. We are grafted into the vine and are children of God through adoption. Through the promise made to Abraham through his son Issac. Not by blood but by adoption.

A careful reading of sacred scripture will show that merely being a Jew by biological lineage really means nothing anymore.Half of all Jews in the world marry non Jews and 70% of their offspring turn to Judaism. With this kind of established bloodlines, how can there still be a Hebrew race. Some say Jews are the most mongrelized people on the planet. If you go to Europe they have brown sometimes blonde hair and pail skin and sometimes blue eyes. I know there are communities of Jews that still seperate themselves. I believe, though that somewhere there must be true descendants of the Hebrews, for the Bible(torah) says they exist in Revelation.

But the actual jew looks like a arab and black person or mix between them.

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Wozer TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,009 OS: 2kpro/XP pro/MCE	I hate to admit it, but jeffdrummer is correct in his analysis of the tribes of Israel...they do indeed have definite genetic markers associated with them, so it is not out of line to refer to the Jewish as a distinctive race... and I also agree with the sentiments re: Xerxes...just what is his agenda, I wonder? __________________ Beware of the big 3 insurance companies in Texas! Read your policies carefully (maybe you'll need a lawyer) and enjoy the 6% increase in your rates you are about to receive from Allstate, Farmers & State Farm for most likely reduced coverage

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Wozer TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,009 OS: 2kpro/XP pro/MCE	actually, I recently read an article about the human gene pool...and apparently there are distinctive markers associated with the tribes of Israel...think about it...the Jewish are very 'clannish' and one could arguably use the word 'inbreeding' in association with their marriage customs (i.e. Jews should wed Jews)..and yeah, I'm sure a lot of Arabics have that gene... note, I'm not being anti-semitic here rather just pointing out what I have read as presented as being a fact...not being a geneticist, I can offer no critique of the methodology which resulted in the conclusion the Jewish can be arguably referred to as a race...as far as I'm concerned we are all one race...humans __________________ Beware of the big 3 insurance companies in Texas! Read your policies carefully (maybe you'll need a lawyer) and enjoy the 6% increase in your rates you are about to receive from Allstate, Farmers & State Farm for most likely reduced coverage

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Xerxes Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: iran Posts: 62 OS: Windows XP	what do u know about yiddish or sephardic jews. do they look like christians from europe or they look like middle east

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~~jeffdrummer~~ Register user Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 870 OS: MAC OS X 10.4.8, and 10.5!! WinXP SP2	I didn't research it, just some knowledge that I thought I would never use; but I am very big into three things: Literature History And Politics (Economics by association). I consider that a great compliment FR... at least I know I'm getting my facts right... ;) I agree with the last paragraph... do you feel that Islamic fundamentalist could be compared with the Crusaders?