Another Viper 5901 Thread

mporettim · 08-30-2009, 07:22 PM

First of all I wanna say i did do some research before posting. But they are still some fuzzy areas I need cleared up. And this forum seems to have some very knowledgeable and helpful people so I thought this would be a great place to ask.

The supplies I need (I think):

1. The alarm its self

2. 10 gauge wire for power and ground of the main unit.

3. Soldering stuff

4. 555XW or a Xpresskit PKALL

#4 is the part where I get confused. I know I need one But I'm not sure which one. I think I need the first one because I have a key to turn, not a button. It sounded appealing though to be able to keep vehicle's factory immobilizer AND have a remote start.

It seems people usually do a bunch of add-ons but I think I am going to just keep it simple for right now because this will be my first alarm install. Later though, I may have some fun with it...

Oh, and it's a Toyota Highlander 2003. That might be important

jaggerwild · 08-30-2009, 08:38 PM

Here's a link to all the wire color codes
http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~24927

The unit comes with enough wire, I always get my main connections from the ignition harness(under the dash) if the key cylinder is on the column I will remove the shroud. I use t-taps and male and female spades for hook ups as they are faster, soldiering is the best way to go. But if you sell the car, you will not be able to remove it in five minutes.
Also pretty sure the 555X uses an extra key that is left inside the unit to simulate the key being in the car, so you have to make sure that you have a key and that you have extra's as well. Lee will chime in with some pointers as well!
mporettim Welcome to the forums!

mporettim · 08-30-2009, 11:21 PM

Thank you for the link Jaggerwild.

Well on the sonic electronix website it said this in the description :

"... which learns the secure code from the Key Cylinder Module & the repeats it when remote start is activated, eliminating the need to leave a key in the vehicle."

So I guess I can use either the 555X or the PKALL without the need to leave a key in the car.

I think I'll go with the PKALL so I can keep the use of the immobilizer. My worry was that this wouldn't work on car but I read this review:

"... I like it a lot on my Highlander 08 and the idea that I don't have to give up key (it is learning your key instead of leaving one in)...."

Does the PKALL sound good?

jaggerwild · 08-31-2009, 07:08 AM

OK,
Its has been a while sense I have been under a dash(thank god, my back can't take it) so as long as the 555 says that you should be good to go. As it will learn the code then your done, not certain you need both but if you have the factory immobilizer then best to get the latter (PKALL).

lcurle · 08-31-2009, 07:40 AM

normally I use something called a passlock that mimics the signal from the key and links it inline so your vehicle thinks the key is present when there is no key at all. When you get in, you put your key in the ignition and turn it to the "run" position and drive off.

mporettim · 08-31-2009, 10:12 AM

Alright thank you for the advice. Passlock is for GM vehicles right?

Now I just gotta wait for the stuff to come in. I'll let you know when it does!

lcurle · 09-01-2009, 08:41 AM

yes passlock is for GM let me know what you have and I can tell you the part number you need.

mporettim · 09-01-2009, 10:26 AM

its a 2003 Toyota Highlander 3.0L V6

**Raylo** · 09-01-2009, 10:44 AM

Fortin Key-override-all is what you need. This does not require that you leave a key in the vehicle. The electronics (once programmed from your actual key) mimics the bypass code. I used this on my Tacoma and it is a nice unit.

Here is the link to the installation guide:

http://ifar.ca/en/vehicles/toyota/hi...003/files.html

lcurle · 09-02-2009, 09:49 AM

You need a DEI 1100X:

Toyota/Lexus interface 2003 and up
The 1100X interface module is used when installing
remote start products in Toyota and Lexus vehicles
equipped with a factory immobilizer. The 1100X
allows for easy interfacing between the remote start
and the factory immobilizer, while maintaining the
integrity of the OEM system. The 1100X provides a
valid code to the vehicle whenver it is remote started,
but does not affect the immobilizer system during normal
vehicle operation;

mporettim · 09-02-2009, 03:39 PM

oh, I sort of already ordered the DEI PKALL but the description sounds about the same. I think it might be the newer model or something. On sonix the 1100X said discontinued but I found it other places.

Actually did some more reading and now I'm not sure. I think the PKALL will work but maybe won't maintain the immobilizer for my vehicle like I wanted. Maybe the 1100X would have been better... Well I'll see what info says that comes with it. Should be here by the weekend.

mporettim · 09-02-2009, 10:35 PM

Woo! The alarm came in today.

3 day weekend + little homework = alarm install

lcurle · 09-03-2009, 07:32 AM

or alarm install + frusteration = dDrinking Binge!!!

mporettim · 09-03-2009, 09:52 AM

, well we'll see I guess. Either one will work

**Raylo** · 09-03-2009, 11:30 AM

Scope it out and plan before you start cutting and soldering. That'll give the beer time to get cold. If it's anything like my Tacoma the interior panels and fasteners are good quality and come apart (and reassemble) well. Not so much my last truck (Chevy S10). :-/ And take breaks when you get tired or stuck. Been there done that. One more piece of advice is to catalog your install in some fashion for future reference. Chances are you won't need to get back into it but you never know. And things get fuzzy with time. Good luck!

mporettim · 09-03-2009, 03:46 PM

Thanks. Yeah, I'm am for sure going to plan it out and read the booklets that came with the alarm. I'm sure it'll will take me awhile but I'll be careful to do it right the first time

**Raylo** · 09-06-2009, 06:25 PM

How's the install going? Hope it's going well. I'm having a cold beer waiting for reports. I hope you get a chance to have one tonight, too.

mporettim · 09-07-2009, 03:18 AM

I think I finished it but its to late to test/program it so I'll wait for daytime. Crossing my fingers for it to work

**Coolfreak** · 09-07-2009, 08:18 AM

I would never be able to wait until the morning to test it. I would be to anxious.. but that's just me

mporettim · 09-07-2009, 02:24 PM

SUCCESS!! It is working perfect. First the remote start wasn't working but I hooked up one wire wrong, fixed that and now its flawless. Now I can enjoy that beer...

Now I've got to get the power locks working. I could do it through a relay in the driver's door but I was looking at other modules hoping they would be easier. Does anybody know anything about the XK01. I believe that will do the power locks AND window roll-up for my car.

I can use the XK01 and the PKALL bypass module at the same time right?
Could the XK01 roll up all four windows or just the 2 front ones?

08-30-2009, 07:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Another Viper 5901 Thread First of all I wanna say i did do some research before posting. But they are still some fuzzy areas I need cleared up. And this forum seems to have some very knowledgeable and helpful people so I thought this would be a great place to ask. The supplies I need (I think): 1. The alarm its self 2. 10 gauge wire for power and ground of the main unit. 3. Soldering stuff 4. 555XW or a Xpresskit PKALL #4 is the part where I get confused. I know I need one But I'm not sure which one. I think I need the first one because I have a key to turn, not a button. It sounded appealing though to be able to keep vehicle's factory immobilizer AND have a remote start. It seems people usually do a bunch of add-ons but I think I am going to just keep it simple for right now because this will be my first alarm install. Later though, I may have some fun with it... Oh, and it's a Toyota Highlander 2003. That might be important Last edited by mporettim; 08-30-2009 at 07:31 PM. Reason: info

08-30-2009, 08:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
jaggerwild TSF Gearhead Join Date: May 2007 Location: NY Posts: 828 OS: Windows XP32 bit/Vista HB 64bit My System	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Here's a link to all the wire color codes http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~24927 The unit comes with enough wire, I always get my main connections from the ignition harness(under the dash) if the key cylinder is on the column I will remove the shroud. I use t-taps and male and female spades for hook ups as they are faster, soldiering is the best way to go. But if you sell the car, you will not be able to remove it in five minutes. Also pretty sure the 555X uses an extra key that is left inside the unit to simulate the key being in the car, so you have to make sure that you have a key and that you have extra's as well. Lee will chime in with some pointers as well! mporettim Welcome to the forums! __________________ Please if you need help, start a new thread with questions only after reading the first few sticky's up top. http://www.techsupportforum.com/auto...ter/car-audio/ A Link for Viper alarm owners http://www.directed.com/Support/Prod...es/Owners.aspx

08-30-2009, 11:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Thank you for the link Jaggerwild. Well on the sonic electronix website it said this in the description : "... which learns the secure code from the Key Cylinder Module & the repeats it when remote start is activated, eliminating the need to leave a key in the vehicle." So I guess I can use either the 555X or the PKALL without the need to leave a key in the car. I think I'll go with the PKALL so I can keep the use of the immobilizer. My worry was that this wouldn't work on car but I read this review: "... I like it a lot on my Highlander 08 and the idea that I don't have to give up key (it is learning your key instead of leaving one in)...." Does the PKALL sound good?

08-31-2009, 07:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
jaggerwild TSF Gearhead Join Date: May 2007 Location: NY Posts: 828 OS: Windows XP32 bit/Vista HB 64bit My System	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread OK, Its has been a while sense I have been under a dash(thank god, my back can't take it) so as long as the 555 says that you should be good to go. As it will learn the code then your done, not certain you need both but if you have the factory immobilizer then best to get the latter (PKALL). __________________ Please if you need help, start a new thread with questions only after reading the first few sticky's up top. http://www.techsupportforum.com/auto...ter/car-audio/ A Link for Viper alarm owners http://www.directed.com/Support/Prod...es/Owners.aspx

08-31-2009, 07:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
lcurle TSF Gearhead (Audio) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newton, Kansas Posts: 593 OS: Xp Pro SP3	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread normally I use something called a passlock that mimics the signal from the key and links it inline so your vehicle thinks the key is present when there is no key at all. When you get in, you put your key in the ignition and turn it to the "run" position and drive off. __________________ Lee - MECP Certified "Any advice given on this forum is intended for helping and assisting the end user with their issue at hand. Personal saftey is important when working on any vehicle."

08-31-2009, 10:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Alright thank you for the advice. Passlock is for GM vehicles right? Now I just gotta wait for the stuff to come in. I'll let you know when it does!

09-01-2009, 08:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
lcurle TSF Gearhead (Audio) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newton, Kansas Posts: 593 OS: Xp Pro SP3	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread yes passlock is for GM let me know what you have and I can tell you the part number you need. __________________ Lee - MECP Certified "Any advice given on this forum is intended for helping and assisting the end user with their issue at hand. Personal saftey is important when working on any vehicle."

09-01-2009, 10:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread its a 2003 Toyota Highlander 3.0L V6

09-01-2009, 10:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Raylo TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 524 OS: XP Desktop, Vista HP Notebook, XP Notebook	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Fortin Key-override-all is what you need. This does not require that you leave a key in the vehicle. The electronics (once programmed from your actual key) mimics the bypass code. I used this on my Tacoma and it is a nice unit. Here is the link to the installation guide: http://ifar.ca/en/vehicles/toyota/hi...003/files.html Last edited by Raylo; 09-01-2009 at 10:47 AM.

09-02-2009, 09:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
lcurle TSF Gearhead (Audio) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newton, Kansas Posts: 593 OS: Xp Pro SP3	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread You need a DEI 1100X: Toyota/Lexus interface 2003 and up The 1100X interface module is used when installing remote start products in Toyota and Lexus vehicles equipped with a factory immobilizer. The 1100X allows for easy interfacing between the remote start and the factory immobilizer, while maintaining the integrity of the OEM system. The 1100X provides a valid code to the vehicle whenver it is remote started, but does not affect the immobilizer system during normal vehicle operation; __________________ Lee - MECP Certified "Any advice given on this forum is intended for helping and assisting the end user with their issue at hand. Personal saftey is important when working on any vehicle."

09-02-2009, 03:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread oh, I sort of already ordered the DEI PKALL but the description sounds about the same. I think it might be the newer model or something. On sonix the 1100X said discontinued but I found it other places. Actually did some more reading and now I'm not sure. I think the PKALL will work but maybe won't maintain the immobilizer for my vehicle like I wanted. Maybe the 1100X would have been better... Well I'll see what info says that comes with it. Should be here by the weekend.

09-02-2009, 10:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Woo! The alarm came in today. 3 day weekend + little homework = alarm install

09-03-2009, 07:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
lcurle TSF Gearhead (Audio) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newton, Kansas Posts: 593 OS: Xp Pro SP3	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread or alarm install + frusteration = dDrinking Binge!!! __________________ Lee - MECP Certified "Any advice given on this forum is intended for helping and assisting the end user with their issue at hand. Personal saftey is important when working on any vehicle."

09-03-2009, 09:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread , well we'll see I guess. Either one will work

09-03-2009, 11:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
Raylo TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 524 OS: XP Desktop, Vista HP Notebook, XP Notebook	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Scope it out and plan before you start cutting and soldering. That'll give the beer time to get cold. If it's anything like my Tacoma the interior panels and fasteners are good quality and come apart (and reassemble) well. Not so much my last truck (Chevy S10). :-/ And take breaks when you get tired or stuck. Been there done that. One more piece of advice is to catalog your install in some fashion for future reference. Chances are you won't need to get back into it but you never know. And things get fuzzy with time. Good luck!

09-03-2009, 03:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread Thanks. Yeah, I'm am for sure going to plan it out and read the booklets that came with the alarm. I'm sure it'll will take me awhile but I'll be careful to do it right the first time

09-06-2009, 06:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
Raylo TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 524 OS: XP Desktop, Vista HP Notebook, XP Notebook	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread How's the install going? Hope it's going well. I'm having a cold beer waiting for reports. I hope you get a chance to have one tonight, too. Last edited by Raylo; 09-06-2009 at 06:46 PM.

09-07-2009, 03:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread I think I finished it but its to late to test/program it so I'll wait for daytime. Crossing my fingers for it to work

09-07-2009, 08:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
Coolfreak Mentor, Microsoft Support Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA Posts: 3,146 OS: Windows XP Pro / Windows Vista / Windows 7	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread I would never be able to wait until the morning to test it. I would be to anxious.. but that's just me __________________ I subscribe to all threads I post in. But, if in case I don't or I forget, and I don't post back within 24 hours, please PM me. I will get back to your thread ASAP. #3 Texas Longhorns 9-0 Everest ~ DBAN ~ UBCD4WIN ~ ImgBurn ~ Memtest86+ ~ HDD Diags

09-07-2009, 02:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
mporettim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 34 OS: xp	Re: Another Viper 5901 Thread SUCCESS!! It is working perfect. First the remote start wasn't working but I hooked up one wire wrong, fixed that and now its flawless. Now I can enjoy that beer... Now I've got to get the power locks working. I could do it through a relay in the driver's door but I was looking at other modules hoping they would be easier. Does anybody know anything about the XK01. I believe that will do the power locks AND window roll-up for my car. I can use the XK01 and the PKALL bypass module at the same time right? Could the XK01 roll up all four windows or just the 2 front ones?