jaggerwild

Still working Lee?
Scared me your posting was there when I edited my posting

namyenruoj

thanks jaggerwild. this is what it says in the viper 5901 manual (wiring diagram)
-Pink/White Flex relay output (default is ignition 2)
-Pink/Black Flex relay contact 87a (default is ignition 2) the rest from this harness i hooked them up
-Violet/White tach input- i hooked it up to the black wire from the coil and i did the tach learn. i had the LED lit up constant after 3 seconds when the tach signal is learned what kind of error do you get if you did get the proper tach wire?
- my car doesn't have a starter kill built-in so what i did i use the the viper 5901 built in starter kill. it shut off the ignition (starter) when the car goes into alarm so iguess thuis thing works, i have no problem there.
here is my big problem:
-when i remote start the car
-nothing happens at all i don't think the unit is not even trying to start the car
-then it gives me an error from my key fob and then it gives out 7 clicks from the unit
- i do this for at least five times it gives me the same output the car does not start at all
-so when i manually start the car by using a key no problem there
-then i do this safety check
-foot on the brake first then
-apply the emergency brake
-then release the foot brake
-but then when i turn off the ignition key the car should stay running but my car "SHUTS OFF".
-sorry guys for all this information but i have to open it out so everyone can see what am i doing wrong. i hope we can solve this problem soon
Thanks again for all the replies.

lcurle

What year car is it? Does it have a PAssive Anti Theft system? Do you need a PATS bypass?

jaggerwild

Ignition two is your (pink/white) will go to the (Blue/yellow) in the cars wire harness(must hook this up). You should have a blinking signal when doing tach learn, so you either have the wrong wire or car is not idling? If you did it wrong then you would get a prolonged grinding noise while starting cause the stater will not know when the auto is running. If it does not start at all then it is something else not hooked up properly(probably ignition two) that is causing it(recheck all connection for proper installation I.E. Red from stater unit to constant power. So make sure it is true constant power, it may appear constant but if you use a test light and check it in every position of the ignition key(example while cranking does it still have power) the constant MUST have power while cranking or ANY other time/psition of the key.
The last part your trying will not work until the unit works, then you will get "pit stop mode".
Can you try to use the "Tachless mod" does the manual offer it? If it does try it as it is just so much easier than the wired type.
Pink/black will not be used, try this. Get next to the unit(starter) hit the remote start button, listen to the unit does it make any noise at all? it should, if the unit is not hooked up the right way, it will not try to start. It then will give you the 7 clicks signal witch tells you why it will not start (example) "tach signal not learned", the manual should have a list of what the 7 clicks mean........
No problem asking me questions, but one at a time(keep it simple) if you will as it is too difficult if more than one is asked. And the rest gets lost in translation, so first question from you to me is this "how do I hook up the tach wire" this is my answer, you do not always need to hook it up. There should be a way to go "tachless" in the INSTALL manual(not the owners manual) if finding the tach signal is too difficult ..........
Once this is done ask next question, if you can't not figure it out then ask more on that one!

namyenruoj

Thanks Mr Lee..My car by the way is a Toyota 1998 Rav4, 2 door, semi convertible
Thanks jaggerwild
-my ignition 2 according to car manual is black/white and I see this wire from the ignition harness and I also get +12 volts across this wire when i turn the ignition switch to ON
-i don't see this blue/yellow from the ignition harness but I see this wire from the groups of wire
-the RED wire from starter unit i am pretty sure this is constant +12v all the time because i brought an extra wire straight from the battery with a 15A fuse to power all the alarm unit and so as my power locks
-i will go and check my car again today see if the unit is trying to start the car by listening from the unit
-the viper5901 has a tach less mode but i don't know how to program it
Thank you guys again for all your time

jaggerwild

Tachless mode must be programed first or else it will not work, read what it says, it is very easy to do and a must to make this work properly. So lets stick to this for now, read the instructions a few times ask questions from me then we'll get her done!!!

Ignition two(blue with a yellow trace) may be another color, use a test light to check it. This is easy to find as it will not show power while you crank the starter, but show power in any position but accessory.

lcurle

Tach signal is always the negative side of the coil.

namyenruoj

when you say there's power on any position. power on acc, power on "ON" position but no power when you crank the engine. is this right. i will try to do the tach less first thing tomorrow and then i will let you know if i did it.
i am tryin to understand how this remote start work. let say everything is hooked up properly when you remote start the car which wire from the harness will trigger the starter

jaggerwild

Sorry,
Correction, the ignition number two will have power in accessory and any position but not during cranking(my bad).

namyenruoj

i did do the tachless just now according to the programming you're right. it's not hard at all but when i started the car the engine did not go even from the unit i did not hear any thing and i get the 7 flash and error on the remote as well again. which wire is the one will give power to the ignition to turn the starter. i did not find the blue with yellow trace yet. maybe next time i have to go to work now.

jaggerwild

The one that gives power to the starter is one of the two that go from the ignition kill wires to the starter wire(you could try starting it by remote then have a test light on the wire going to the "starter side"). Usually if your getting flashes its telling you it sees some thing or doesn't that it should so instead of starting its giving you a diagnostic code.

Not sure witch wire is ignition two thats why I said use a test light to find it as the codes that Lee posted are not always true wire colors, some times you just have to find them on your own.

namyenruoj

according to the car manual black/white stripe is the ignition 2. when i tested these wire with a voltmeter i get +12v accross this black/white when the ignition switch is on "ON" position, is this right?. the black wire from the ignition harness also gets +12v when the ignition switch is on "ON" position i believe this black wire is for the starter so i cut this wire and hooked up the wires from the unit green and violet. but anyway i will do some more testing tomorrow about the green and violet see if i get some kind of voltage across them. by the way before i cut the black wire, i started the car and it went but when i cut the black wire the car did not start at all so i assume i got the proper wire for the starter.

namyenruoj

what will happen if you mixed the starter wire (Green & Violet) will it give out the same problem. i have a feeling that i did. during remote start if you measure the voltage across the violet you get +12v and 0v at the green wire?

namyenruoj

1. Make sure the engine is running and the doors on the vehicle are closed
2. Put the transmission in neutral
3. Press on the brake in the vehicle
4. Apply the emergency brake
5. Release the brake
6. Within 15 seconds activate the remote start from the remote
7. The parking lights flash 5-times confirming that the remote start is active.
8. Turn off the engine (the car stays running when key is turned off)
9. Exit the vehicle
10. Arm the alarm (the vehicle should shut off when arming the system

I did this setup and everything works according to the step but then
if you remote start the car it does not start at all, flash 7 times and the problem is just like the problem before.

jaggerwild

There are several wires that will show power during ignition, one will be for accessories(heater/AC), ETC............
If the starter wire from the unit is hooked up backward the car would not start properly at all( so if it starts by key then your ok) also it works when the alarm is armed so you seem to have it right.
Were getting no where here really, and when i do post instructions it seems you do not grasp what I'm saying.
7FLASHES is a code, if you read the "INSTALL manual" it will tell you what the flashes mean(again I repeat myself). Do you have a good clean ground hooked up? The Constant wire DOES NOT HAVE TO GO TO TE BATTERY, you can tap a source at the wire harness behind ignition. Is the antenna hooked up? as it will not work if not. I can only do so much here I can't do the work for you, what about brake pedal wire is it hooked up as this will cause it not to work ? The unit looks at all hooked up wires before starting if it sees something not hooked up or hooked up wrong then it will NOT START.

Constant 12V+ White Fuse Panel
Starter Red (Automatic) or Black/Gray Dots Ignition Switch Harness
Ignition Black/White Ignition Switch Harness (Small Wire)
Ignition 2 Black/Yellow Ignition Switch Harness (Small Wire)
Accessory Blue/Red Ignition Switch Harness (Small Wire)
Tach Black White Connector At Coil Driver's Side of Engine, 2 Cylinder
Brake Switch Green/White Driver's Side Kick Panel
Trunk Pin Red/White (-) Orange Connector above Fuses
Parking Lights Green (+) Gray Connector near Relay left under Dash
Head Lamp Red/White (-) Steering Column
Door Trigger Red/Yellow (-)F Red/White (R) Orange Connector above Fuses
Door Lock Blue/White (-) Driver's Kick Blue Connector Negative Trigger or at Lock Module behind Glove Compartment
Door Unlock Blue/Yellow (-)
Horn Wire Green/Red Steering Column
Windows Up LF=Yellow, RF=Blue/White, LR=Blue/Red, RR=Red/Yellow
Windows Down LF=Green, RF=Green/Red, LR=Blue/Black, RR=Red/Blue (kick panel)



Keep it simple PLEASE, is the brake wire hooked up?

namyenruoj

Thanks for being patient "jaggerwild".
I tried the car first thing today as I mentioned. Finally it worked now. thanks again for all your help specially you and Mr. LEE
Like I mentioned before I did the manual shutdown according to the instruction, I am very happy because while the car is running I press this remote start button and from my remote it says remote start on and when I turned the ignition OFF the car still running, I exit the door and arm the car. then the car shut off. I can be able to do this before my big problem was I didn't know that I have to wait for a little while before you can be able to remote start the car i guess the unit has to prepare or resets itself first.
Now I have another issue which I noticed. the unit tries to start the car at least few times and it did not. so I tried it again, the unit tries again but when i depress my clutch pedal the car finally "STARTED". Is there a way of bypassing this clutch pedal because I can not remotely start the car outside unless I'm inside and pressing the clutch pedal

lcurle

you have to hook up to the ebrake so when the ebrake is applied and the vehicle is in neutral the car will start. If not, the car can roll away, or if it is in gear you will have a new garage access via your living room.

namyenruoj

I did hook up the black/white neutral safety (-) input to my ebrake already

namyenruoj

do i need some kind of relay so when you do the remote start the 2 wires from the clutch switch will make contacts. which wire is it from the unit do i need to connect.

jaggerwild

None,
just have to hook the two clutch wires together so it will start in any position with or with out the clutch. Remote starters are not made for clutch autos so there is no hook up for that wire.