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99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
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1999 Lincoln Continental 4.6L 32v V-8 54,200 miles (orig) August 2007, CA Lincoln dealer replaced the Rack & Pinion steering system. They said it was cracked. Fluid poured from idle parked car then. Mileage ~ 38,000. Steering making same noises again as 2007 when hard turn. 3 pints power steering fluid so far - 1 week. No puddles below parked car like 2007. 54,000 mi and 32v V-8 - easily gets to triple digits on hwy & I would like to keep it. No damage/ accidents since R & P replaced 2007. A guess, please, on the probability that the entire system once again has to be replaced? Any idea on cost? Should it go to the dealer or is R & P something that retail store like Firestone or STS can do? Should I bother with temp-fix fluid from auto store? Thanks. . . JC . |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Find a good independent shop Chain stores tend to hire inexpensive help you will usually find 1 or 2 experienced techs and the rest either fresh out of school or underachievers.
Word of mouth is the best method ask some coworkers or neighbors who they use. If it's using fluid it has to be leaking somewhere, could be as simple as a hose, to a pump or the rack gear itself. > http://www.rackpinionwhse.com/ShopBy...=True&rewrite= Expect to pay list at a shop. |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Thank you.
I'll gladly pay that list price. I'm wondering now why the bill from Lincoln in 2007 was > $3,000. Labor? What is "independent shop Chain" store - would it be a known name - like franchise? No for Firestone/ STS? . |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Independent shop is just that a local repair shop where you walk in and talk to the owner usually, instead of a chain like Firestone, Sears, Wallmart, Pepboys Etc.
The Dealer most likely sold you a new rather then rebuilt unit, and the labor rates are higher. (lot of overhead to pay for). Just an Idea but at one time Ford/Lincolin/Mercury were offering a lifetime warranty on repairs performed at the dealerships, it was on again off again deal if your feeling lucky the previous repair may fall under that do you still have the receipt? |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
The mention that it was a CA (California??) dealer might tell the story on why so high on the cost.
I does no good to ask for a timeframe on the fluid loss.... there should be none (fluid loss). If you are losing fluid there will be evidence in the way of a damp area along the path of the PS components. That will include anything from the pump to the rack and pinion. The leakage might not occur until hydraulic pressure is in demand..... take a look at the hoses and any connections while the steering wheel is turned from one side to the other. Go from stop to stop and hold the wheel against one of the stops..... that will keep pressure on the system and should show where the leakage is at. Make sure the power-steering reservoir is at the proper level before doing any checks. I would not be a happy camper if I had to replace any steering components on a car with so few miles.
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
@ wrench97 - yes, I have the receipt and unfortunately warranty was 1 year.
@ SABL - If I knew what hoses, etc... to look for, I would. But I am someone that has never even changed the oil in a car... sad, I know! Yes, Palm Springs, California - no choice at the time. Increased costs were expected... but the end amount is truly high. Thanks to all for the help. jcgriff2 . Last edited by jcgriff2; 04-15-2009 at 01:34 AM. |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Sideways engine and the Rack is mounted behind the transaxle not a easy vehicle to see every thing on with all the plastic dress up covers in place.
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
No incidents on my 300 mile trip over the last 3 days outside of 4 pints of power steering fluid. I have looked around p/s reservoir and don't see anything - the fluid appears to be leaking only while in transit; not idle & parked. Still looking for repair shop. Local Votec said too late in the year; no openings at this time.
Firestone or STS doing tires/ brakes this week along with a cursory look at the steering problem. Airbag light problem has resurfaced - diagnostics test revealed clock spring bad - again (replaced in 2007; mentioned HERE). To save reading time, the airbag light comes on at ignition, blinks 3 times, repeats this cycle 3-4x, then solid. Low voltage at times - only picked up by radar/ laser detectors - never on-board diagnostics. New alternator, battery, steering, clock spring in 2007 by Lincoln, PS, Calif. Battery again ~ 6 months ago locally after bizarre key incident - orig factory keys INOP after dups made at Lincoln. Should shocks and spring be done now ? They will have the car for a week. There is "squeaking" - LF at times; been like that for a while (precedes steering problem). Not sure if shock, spring, ... Any other maintenance items besides general (Oil chg, air & fuel filter) while its there? No engine hesitation whatsoever. I do like the 32v V-8. I had the Mark VIIIs chips put in when new to boost to 325 horses. Thank you. JC . |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
The Squeaking could be a bad ball joint or the upper strut mounting plate bearing.
Does this have the Air springs on it or the sport/comfort switch on the console for the electronic shocks? |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Yes - it has rear air suspension. It is working fine.
I am unsure about electronic shocks. Nothing special in the front as far as I know (except leaking p/s fluid)!. Thanks. |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Some of those are air Front and Rear.
If you have a ride control switch or Performance/Comfort switch on the dash or usually the console then it has the Electronic Shock package. |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Yes, I have the ride control & steering control packages.
I never gave it much thought as to how exactly the car stiffened up when ride control setting changed to TIGHT. So rear = air shocks; front = electronic? Or can the back have both? I can only imagine what those things cost. I had all 4 air bags/ suspension go on previous Lincoln. Those were $$$. Thanks . |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
They are probably both electric/air, there are a couple different setups, depending on year/option, but I remember 1 set of front struts being about $1400 cost for one in the late 90's vintage.
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Thanks for the help and information.
I think I'll stop here now, as the more Q & A, the closer I get to justification of a new similar vehicle, which is NO-GO at this time. I'll post back w/ outcome after it comes out of repair shop(s). Thank you. JC . |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
I knew had this floating around, there is a replacement system for the Air suspension on those Continentals > http://www.strutmasters.com/lincoln-...nsion-s/38.htm
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
Thank you. I appreciate your continued time on this subject that I know little about.
I now recall these non-air suspension strut replacements after your post. A friend had them installed on a Mark VIII. I will look into them. A far cry from the cost of OEM air replacements. Time is near for the steering... a 225 mile round trip today required 3 quarts of p/s fluid. I even tried the "stop leak", but am obviously past that point. Still a NO-GO for local Votec. Looking for "SHOP" in case it is R/P steering replacement needed. While I'm here, if I may - thoughts on tires? I had factory Michelin's replaced when car new b/c front wheel drive & 325hp couldn't handle wet pavement on takeoff; ended up w/ Bridgestone "V"-type tread so water pushed outward. 2 sets so far. Code:
NAME BRAND SPEED Mileage PRICE PZ900 Primewell W 60.00 Potenza G019 Grid Bridgestone H 50,000 99.99 Potenza G019 Grid Bridgestone V 50,000 123.99 Firehawk GT Firestone H 50,000 126.99 Potenza RE92† Bridgestone H 40,000 137.99 Potenza RE 960AS Pole Pos Bridgestone W 40,000 138.99 Firehawk Wideoval Firestone W 142.99 Turanza W/Serenity Bridgestone H 70,000 145.99 Turanza ER33† Bridgestone Y 158.99 Firehawk PV41† Firestone V 193.99 Firehawk PVS Firestone V 213.99 http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tires...productID=1112 $75 off set of 4 - http://www.bridgestonetire.com/image...omotion_09.pdf Firestone/ STS has "Primewell" on sale $240/4, but Google complaints say they sound like 747 on runway. Can I go 235/60 R16 or even 245/50 R16, or should I stay w/ factory 225/60 R16? 1st pair were 235 if I recall. I do want "V" > speed rating. Thanks. . . JC . Last edited by jcgriff2; 04-19-2009 at 07:07 PM. |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
I would go for the Bridgestone over the Firestone, on the Sizes I'll have to find my size charts but a rough guess the 245/50 are the same diameter as the 225/60 just wider.
If your using that much fluid I would not put the repair off much longer P/S fluid can and will catch on fire if it comes in contact with any exhaust components. |
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Re: 99 Continental - Power Steering Problem
I agree w/ repair timetable. Sudden trip to West Coast in 2 days, so car will sit for 1-2 weeks, during which I'll find Votec or similar for p/s here in NJ. Then clock spring & tires.
Wider tires would be nice. I agree w/ Bridgestone too - it's worth the cost I think. Well, I will have rental car for next week or 2 and s/b fine going thru AZ & CA deserts and won't have to buy p/s fluid! Thanks again . . . JC . |
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