Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question

**Bartender** · 05-04-2007, 03:43 PM

Sometimes the answers are so fundamental that googling doesn't seem to work, so I turn to my friends at TSF...
I'm familiar only with the ubuntu "sudo" model for doing things in terminal.

Trying out PCLOS TR4 and I don't know how to make anything happen. Could someone please tell me, or point me to some links, so that I can do some basic stuff in Konsole? For instance, I was trying to pull up wvdial and got nowhere.

Sorry for being so dense

BTW, PCLOS website appears to be offline again as of this afternoon PST

**TheMatt** · 05-04-2007, 06:17 PM

Hi,

What are you trying to do? You can do things like just look around and work with files.

Create a file in your home folder called 'filetext.txt' and then play with it.

username@workstation:~$

Code:

su
Password:

root@workstation:~$

Code:

pwd
cd ~/
ls -l
cp ~/filetext.txt ~/filetext.backup.txt
cat ~/filetext.txt
mkdir ~/filetext/
mv ~/filetext.backup.txt ~/filetext/filetext.backup.txt
rm -r ~/filetext/
exit

username@workstation:~$

Code:

exit

That is just some basic file stuff. I dunno, it was off the top of my head.

BTW, don't ask why I logged in as root to modify the contents of the home folder.

BTW, 'sudo' is an all Unix. You can use 'su' instead so you don't have to always do 'sudo'

**Bartender** · 05-05-2007, 06:33 AM

Hi, Matt -
My progress with Linux has been very slow, because we're on dial-up at home, the ISP doesn't work well with Linux (long story) and our main PC has gagged on all versions of Linux except PCLOS.
I finally figured out that adding "irqpoll" to the boot options is the magic cure to get LiveCD's to run. Now I can dual-boot Linux to our main PC instead of just playing with it on an old test PC out in the shop.

The internet connection problem is a tougher nut.

Anyway, thanks for the response - it looks like I can just leave "sudo" off for typical chores in Konsole. So simple I couldn't figure it out.

Followed some notes I had laying around and was able to set up wvdial on our test Linux PC. Problem is, as soon as I dial our ISP they kick me off. It appears they're looking for a Windows fingerprint of some sort and when they don't get that they terminate the connection.
I'd switch if we weren't getting it so cheap...

~~PureEvilDan~~ · 05-05-2007, 06:34 AM

Ouch Matt :/

All of the commands given can be done via a normal user.

Also (I'm being picky here), you should use su - rather than su. They do the same job, but su - opens up in a new connection & it has more PATH directories which are root only. I know you may never use these, but its better practice.

justo · 05-06-2007, 12:27 AM

I used Linux.(Several versions) on dialup for about three years or more.I used Best Data external serial cable modems plus a USR Performance Pro 5610 B modem on those. Never had a problem on dialup with Linux and Windows.I used a company from Washington State. www.isp.com It was about ten bucks a month.It always was ready when I wanted online. I looked.It is 8.95 a month.I never tried the so called high speed version.It cost more and may not add a lot of speed but I don't know. You can download the loader to a floppy .( It is on the site) It sets up for Windows.But the Linux side was easy to fill out because it is a simple program they use.

**Bartender** · 05-06-2007, 07:36 AM

Hi, justo -
Thanks for the feedback on ISP.com. I've been comparing ones available in Western WA. There are so many ISP's and it's difficult to get any real information on them. I'm suspicious of those "ISP Ranking" sites.
Anyways, ISP.com was one that looked interesting. They even have some half-way decent "Linux help" pages!
Other ISP's that have been recommended the last few days include All2Easy and TotalSpeed. A2E is cheap - $5/month

justo · 05-06-2007, 12:26 PM

You will not need any Linux help pages with the one I posted.You can look on their site and download the Windows connection program to desktop now.Put it on a pen driver or floppy so you will be able to get on with Windows automaticly. Others I have had to wait for a CD in the mail then go through a routine to connect up. But the main one I used dialup Linux with was Xandros 2 ,Suse 9 and Redhat 6 .But it was easy to put the number in and the name.

**TheMatt** · 05-11-2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PureEvilDan

Ouch Matt :/

All of the commands given can be done via a normal user.

Also (I'm being picky here), you should use su - rather than su. They do the same job, but su - opens up in a new connection & it has more PATH directories which are root only. I know you may never use these, but its better practice.

For some reason su doesn't work for me. 'sudo -s' is what I use for continued root sessions.

EDIT: Wait, never mind, it is 'sudo su -'

EDIT2: You can also work in a root shell.

**Bartender** · 05-12-2007, 06:25 AM

It may be unfortunate for my poor little brain that I started out with the Ubuntu model for permissions. I'm still having trouble with the concept of "root".
Anyway, I'll figure that out.
What's the KDE version of "gedit" for modifying a file? Does "kedit" work the same way?
Due to circumstances, I spend 98% of my time in front of a Windows PC, so sorry for dumb questions.

~~PureEvilDan~~ · 05-12-2007, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bartender

Due to circumstances, I spend 98% of my time in front of a Windows PC, so sorry for dumb questions.

There are never dumb questions :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bartender

It may be unfortunate for my poor little brain that I started out with the Ubuntu model for permissions. I'm still having trouble with the concept of "root".
Anyway, I'll figure that out.

Root is like the Administrator on XP/NT systems, but unlike "limited" users on Windows, the normal Linux user can run pretty much anything they need. Root should be used sparingly.

**TheMatt** · 05-13-2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bartender

What's the KDE version of "gedit" for modifying a file? Does "kedit" work the same way?

Correct, KEdit is the GEdit of KDE. Also, for running GUI programs as root, use 'kdesu' rather than 'gksu' before the command.

05-04-2007, 03:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question Sometimes the answers are so fundamental that googling doesn't seem to work, so I turn to my friends at TSF... I'm familiar only with the ubuntu "sudo" model for doing things in terminal. Trying out PCLOS TR4 and I don't know how to make anything happen. Could someone please tell me, or point me to some links, so that I can do some basic stuff in Konsole? For instance, I was trying to pull up wvdial and got nowhere. Sorry for being so dense BTW, PCLOS website appears to be offline again as of this afternoon PST

05-04-2007, 06:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
TheMatt TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,701 OS: Win 3.1, 98, NT 4.0, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question Hi, What are you trying to do? You can do things like just look around and work with files. Create a file in your home folder called 'filetext.txt' and then play with it. username@workstation:~$ Code: su Password: root@workstation:~$ Code: pwd cd ~/ ls -l cp ~/filetext.txt ~/filetext.backup.txt cat ~/filetext.txt mkdir ~/filetext/ mv ~/filetext.backup.txt ~/filetext/filetext.backup.txt rm -r ~/filetext/ exit username@workstation:~$ Code: exit That is just some basic file stuff. I dunno, it was off the top of my head. BTW, don't ask why I logged in as root to modify the contents of the home folder. BTW, 'sudo' is an all Unix. You can use 'su' instead so you don't have to always do 'sudo' __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 [url="http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/"] If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides

05-05-2007, 06:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question Hi, Matt - My progress with Linux has been very slow, because we're on dial-up at home, the ISP doesn't work well with Linux (long story) and our main PC has gagged on all versions of Linux except PCLOS. I finally figured out that adding "irqpoll" to the boot options is the magic cure to get LiveCD's to run. Now I can dual-boot Linux to our main PC instead of just playing with it on an old test PC out in the shop. The internet connection problem is a tougher nut. Anyway, thanks for the response - it looks like I can just leave "sudo" off for typical chores in Konsole. So simple I couldn't figure it out. Followed some notes I had laying around and was able to set up wvdial on our test Linux PC. Problem is, as soon as I dial our ISP they kick me off. It appears they're looking for a Windows fingerprint of some sort and when they don't get that they terminate the connection. I'd switch if we weren't getting it so cheap...

05-05-2007, 06:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~PureEvilDan~~ Register user Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Posts: 229 OS: Gentoo AMD XP 2400+ 1GB Ram / WinXp Intel 805D 2GB Ram My System	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question Ouch Matt :/ All of the commands given can be done via a normal user. Also (I'm being picky here), you should use su - rather than su. They do the same job, but su - opens up in a new connection & it has more PATH directories which are root only. I know you may never use these, but its better practice.

05-06-2007, 12:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
justo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TEXAS Posts: 203 OS: VISTA/XP/WIN2K/PC LINUX/MCN LINUX THERMALTAKE XASER2.Several home mades.	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question I used Linux.(Several versions) on dialup for about three years or more.I used Best Data external serial cable modems plus a USR Performance Pro 5610 B modem on those. Never had a problem on dialup with Linux and Windows.I used a company from Washington State. www.isp.com It was about ten bucks a month.It always was ready when I wanted online. I looked.It is 8.95 a month.I never tried the so called high speed version.It cost more and may not add a lot of speed but I don't know. You can download the loader to a floppy .( It is on the site) It sets up for Windows.But the Linux side was easy to fill out because it is a simple program they use. Last edited by justo; 05-06-2007 at 12:32 AM.

05-06-2007, 07:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question Hi, justo - Thanks for the feedback on ISP.com. I've been comparing ones available in Western WA. There are so many ISP's and it's difficult to get any real information on them. I'm suspicious of those "ISP Ranking" sites. Anyways, ISP.com was one that looked interesting. They even have some half-way decent "Linux help" pages! Other ISP's that have been recommended the last few days include All2Easy and TotalSpeed. A2E is cheap - $5/month

05-06-2007, 12:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
justo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TEXAS Posts: 203 OS: VISTA/XP/WIN2K/PC LINUX/MCN LINUX THERMALTAKE XASER2.Several home mades.	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question You will not need any Linux help pages with the one I posted.You can look on their site and download the Windows connection program to desktop now.Put it on a pen driver or floppy so you will be able to get on with Windows automaticly. Others I have had to wait for a CD in the mail then go through a routine to connect up. But the main one I used dialup Linux with was Xandros 2 ,Suse 9 and Redhat 6 .But it was easy to put the number in and the name.

05-12-2007, 06:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Totally lame PCLOS Konsole question It may be unfortunate for my poor little brain that I started out with the Ubuntu model for permissions. I'm still having trouble with the concept of "root". Anyway, I'll figure that out. What's the KDE version of "gedit" for modifying a file? Does "kedit" work the same way? Due to circumstances, I spend 98% of my time in front of a Windows PC, so sorry for dumb questions.