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Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Hi all
Recently opted to do a UBUNTU install after thinking about it for a long long time. Unfortunately the 40GB drive I installed to decided to offer me a SMART warning about imminent failure shortly after doing the installation. Currently it is working fine although I suspect slowly. I am using the Primary Master drive for Ububtu whilst the Primary slave boots into XP. I am not using a partition or OS manager and the OS I want to boot is set up in BIOS each time because my P4 2.66GHz mobo doesn't have a boot selector menu at power on. The system appears to be functional in this form but as yet I haven't really used UBUNTU sufficiently to know whether I am just lucky or not. The XP install is (to date) working quite happily. I decided to clone the drive to another drive of another manufacturer that I have sitting around spare. In fact I have 2 and tried them both without success. I am a newb to Linux systems although i do have many years experience elsewhere. The Original install was to a 40 GB drive which I made 1GB swap, & then 3 partitions of around 10GB each thinking that I would also like later to install the LinuxOS & Knoppix systems which I have also downloaded as LIVE Bootable CD's. I installed UBUNTU 6.10 to the first partition after the swap drive using manual mode install. After realising my imminet drive failure I decided to grab a 20GB drive and use Ghost 7.5 to clone the partitions. That didn't work and I can't remember now whther I just got a flashing cursor & nothing happened or the word grub flashed up on screen filling it forever! I figured it was disk size error so I deleted 2 of the extra partitions to bring the size approx to the same as the 20GB disk. That also didn't work. I left it a short while because of more urgent/pressing matters and decided today to try yet another HDD. This time a 40GB drive that I cloned ( I hope) as disk to disk and 1:1. when I tried booting though the word grub just filled the screen and kept on going. Is there a special procedure for cloning a Linux drive? or is there some code written somewhere that identifies the drive and size which causes problems when you require to replace the drive? Should I make a clone image first and then do the clone from the image? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
If you are new to Linux and got XP to run on master HD and Ubuntu to run on the slave connector of the second hard drive.Then have a choice to boot either when you hit the ON switch then you should turn around and pat yourself on the back because I think you have performed a merricle. As for the other things you ask.Wait for the experts. I only load with Windows on the same HD .Or, two Linux on the same HD.
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
All these years and I still don't have the difference between cloning and copying straight. What's the brand of the drive you're trying to move to? I'd go to their website and download the latest version of their disk utility. Burn to a disk. It should make a bootable CD. Unplug the Windows drive, plug in your spare drive, check to see that the jumpers are allowing the BIOS to see both drives, and toss in the disk utility. It should give you an option to copy the data from the old drive to the newer one.
I think that would work. Your GRUB error may be something else entirely, but if it was working before it oughta work with a disk that's a copy of the original. EDIT: I am not one of the experts justo referred to
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
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I don't think it's a miracle that they are working together .. the UBUNTU install btw is on the master and XP the slave. I did that deliberately because I know that more modern systems have a boot menu at power on to select the boot source. In my case though I have to reselect which drive I boot from within BIOS which is a pain but effective. The boot drive is automatically seen as the "C:" drive because it boots there. You might want to note though that I first installed UBUNTU then XP so as to ensure that I got the right boot flavour. Didn't want either OS affecting the other. The only downside is that I can't remove the faulty HDD and boot into XP. It refuses!
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
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Cloning, just to help you see the difference, means making an exact copy of each sector on one HD to the same on the other. Sometimes it's important to do that because of hidden data that is accessed by programs. If it getrs put inthe wrong place, everything crashes because it can't find the data. A Copy is just that! You grab something from one place and throw it without thinking, elsewhere. It's like copying the boot.ini of your C: drive to d:\backup. The file is there but no longer where it can be useful when you replace the one drive with the other. Whilst I believe your idea might work about grabbing the Utilty, I think it's a question of having the correct program that recognises Linux partitions. Ghost uses DOS, which in turn doesn't recognise NON-DOS partitions properly. So what I am looking for is the correct way of booting into a linux environmet and then cloning the one drive to the other. Cloning hdd's is something I have been doing for years, cloning Linux is something I have to learn to do now! Thanks again
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Go here and get the download of Acrois HOME..It is a trial unless to click on BUY NOW. But that will save the immage on the HD to a CD or DVD so you can reload it.> about 2 down is the home version>> http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0....ronis&tag=srch
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
OH,OK,You are doing the Linux clone? Maybe one of these will help .But I thought the Acronis could do both Linux and Windows? >> http://xrl.us/v3c2
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Hi, Done -
So you have a 2-part question, right? First off, you can't get into your Linux install, and second, you're not sure how to clone it once you're in? Man. I'm more of a Linux generalist. Can't help too much when it gets to specific commands in terminal or even in the GUI. I popped over to Ubuntu Forums and searched "clone". Numerous replies. Here's one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...ighlight=clone There are thousands of posts regarding restoring GRUB, and that sounds like one of the first things I'd try if you think the rest of the Linux data is on the new drive. Again, here's one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...reinstall+grub If you figure this all out, maybe you'll share your new-found knowledge with us? I want to add that MEPIS 6.5 makes mounting drives super easy with the KwikDisk icon over in the lower right corner of the desktop. I'm very impressed with the new MEPIS. Even the new Ubuntu Feisty will automount drives. Including Windows!! I'll be happy to recycle the pile of notes I've collected on mounting drives via terminal! |
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
THanks for those links .. it seems that Acronis DO support Linux but they are mainly advertised as being a Windows OS software. I think though, if I understand correctly, it has to be installed on Windows in order to work (which is no problem for me). I'll let you know hwen I have managed to download & install. Most of the info that I hve seen up to now requires playing around at command prompt so a utility to do the work would be fine.
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Oh,Yes. We talked of loading a Linux on the master HD in one PC and take it out and put as master in another PC.Often it finds its way up and goes right on in the other PC.But as he had that certain strange double hard drive hook up this may not work.
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Seems whilst I was having dinner after starting a reply you got in before me .. and thanks for those extra links. Seems like I must have hit a nerve with my question.
One site I visited said there are only three types of drive those that will fail, those that have failed and those that got retired before they failed ... so it's probably a good idea to get the clone question sorted whilst I know that my drive is in the first category, BIOS knows it and the writing is on the wall! Thanks again for all that help now all I have to do is take a look at that mepis thing you mentioned. on a side note I prefer Knoppix over Ubuntu from what I have seen so far .. it comes with a better desktop which shows the PC in similar terms to that which I am used to (Windoes) mounting the drives and looking around is much simpler. Ubuntu seems to make you work a lot harder.
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
I often find hard drives thrown away as no good.But I reload with Linux after I run a format with G Parted and they work fine. I am testing a screen shot here. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/clod/ISOREAD.png
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
I have a few drives myself that are no longer much good for windows use (I hoard data) and which are just fine for testing out new OS's. This latest PC though was given to me as a throw out so I figured I would use it as a test bed. Hence my being able to fianlly getting around to test drive Linux. It's taken me years to get this far!
On another note I followed the first link to Ghost4 Linux which it seems requires an ftp server but has a guide to doing it. I didn't realise that SimplyMEPIS 6.5 was another Linux system but it's now being downloaded for appraisal. Hope I got that right cos I just saw the download size for the iso file and figured that if it as that big it HAD to be an OS. I'm going to look at the other link shortly. It might even be that I'll need to use one of 2 Linux bootable floppies that I made years back when removing a Linux partition from a workmates 2GB HDD (back in the days of Win98!!)
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Thanks for all your help .. I'll post some more as I get to grips with the problem
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
A coupla other things that really impressed me with MEPIS - I just let it auto install to a spare drive and it set up a /home partition. never saw that before! Also, it recognized that the Intel 915 chipset onboard vid was capable of screen rotation and let me rotate the screen with just a couple of clicks. Cool! I hardly ever run my screen in landscape. Portait is more efficient most of the time.
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
JUst downloaded the 32 bit version and booted from CD looked good and I was on the net surfing without hassle .. looks like I'll be checking out that system a bit more .. I have the spare drives, Thanks for the tips. Now back to the cloning problem though .. I'm still searching
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
I was asleep awhile. > www.distrowatch.com < A list on the right shows the popular versions of Linux .I try a number of them but mainly Live CDs or DVDs that can be installed. You can click on a name and the info comes up for it.I like Knoppix but it will not easily connect my wireless card.Netgear MA 311. Most Linux versions have a driver on the disk for that and it is easy to make a connection.But here are my favorites. ( PC Linux 2007 TR4 ) ( Mepis 6.5 ) ( Mint Bianca. this one is gnome) (Mint Biaca KDE on DVD) It takes a DVD deck to burn and load it. The Mints have an update icon on low right of the desktop.I never click it because the updates make my wirelss card go off.I think it is a Kernel update from Ubuntu. I have not used the new Suse versions.It is too much downloading and you can only choose a live disk set or a loading disk set.One I have that I want to use but my wireless card is not working on is Sabayon Mini.I like it but I want my wireless card t work.
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
I'm not 100% sure if your still talking bout cloning, but if you can boot your orginal partition, and you have
another 40GB hrd drive, you can clone it in Linux (via console) As root: Code:
fdisk -l STOP! Check to see which is your linux, and which is your Windows hard drive. Maybe even unplug your windows drive. dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb Replace /dev/hda with your Ubuntu Drive Replace /dev/hdb with the drive you wish to copy TO! check & double check the fdisk -l output |
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Re: Cloning Ubuntu Drive - How ?
Thanks, Dan, for showing up with some code.
As in the case you give, CLI can be very simple, but you gotta know exactly what to type in. What would be perfect for me is a binder right next to the PC with the 500 most used terminal commands all typed out and explanations of what and how they work. |
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