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**linderman** · 11-12-2005, 02:11 PM

I have no problem with the fact that we toppled Saddam Hussein !! I dont like being deceived (weapons of mass destruction >>> where are they ??? after 1991 gulf war they had been reduced to insignificant threat)
and dont give me the were doing it to free the people of Iraq >>> there are plenty of repressive regimes all over the middle east, and many of them we still support
Now if you want to say our goal is to plant a seed of democracy in an area that violently resists western influence and establsih a base from which to monitor and secure the middle east (but this action is for OUR self interest) >>> then you betcha lets get it done
but its going to be a long haul / this isnt going to be done in 10-years any more realistically than two years

And PRIMIARILY if this "altering of the middle east" is not done in a way that substantially benefits the IRAQI people then we are in for a world of hurt / if our nation continues in the usual manner of propping up puppets just to have its way with the resources of IRAQ then this effort will be the same failure as vietnam. Vietnam was a failure because we were not there to support the desires of the masses but rather our nations self interests ONLY / no occupational force can be successful without the support of the masses.

you are correct about the global economy though / if the oil is stopped or supply jerked around then of course we are going to suffer / all I have been saying right along is dont feed me an apple and tell me its a porterhouse steak.
I just dont care for the smoke blown up my keister about why we are at war and I dont like how we got there / I will agree with most all of you about one thing / its a very critical strategic part of the world which must capture our attention with a major commitment.

However please dont get lost in the smoke / we are there to secure oil and alter the mind set of a region which hates western influence / and need to alter the social beliefs of a whole continent in order to twart terrorism / but the facts behind the terrorist motivation is; they still want us out of their country at all costs / even if they need to give their life in the process.

11-12-2005, 02:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,534 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	I have no problem with the fact that we toppled Saddam Hussein !! I dont like being deceived (weapons of mass destruction >>> where are they ??? after 1991 gulf war they had been reduced to insignificant threat) and dont give me the were doing it to free the people of Iraq >>> there are plenty of repressive regimes all over the middle east, and many of them we still support Now if you want to say our goal is to plant a seed of democracy in an area that violently resists western influence and establsih a base from which to monitor and secure the middle east (but this action is for OUR self interest) >>> then you betcha lets get it done but its going to be a long haul / this isnt going to be done in 10-years any more realistically than two years And PRIMIARILY if this "altering of the middle east" is not done in a way that substantially benefits the IRAQI people then we are in for a world of hurt / if our nation continues in the usual manner of propping up puppets just to have its way with the resources of IRAQ then this effort will be the same failure as vietnam. Vietnam was a failure because we were not there to support the desires of the masses but rather our nations self interests ONLY / no occupational force can be successful without the support of the masses. you are correct about the global economy though / if the oil is stopped or supply jerked around then of course we are going to suffer / all I have been saying right along is dont feed me an apple and tell me its a porterhouse steak. I just dont care for the smoke blown up my keister about why we are at war and I dont like how we got there / I will agree with most all of you about one thing / its a very critical strategic part of the world which must capture our attention with a major commitment. However please dont get lost in the smoke / we are there to secure oil and alter the mind set of a region which hates western influence / and need to alter the social beliefs of a whole continent in order to twart terrorism / but the facts behind the terrorist motivation is; they still want us out of their country at all costs / even if they need to give their life in the process. __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.